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采访尼泊尔共产党（毛主义）高级领导人巴塔拉依（三） 翻译:红石
Q. NC leader Ramchandra Poudel, who also was present in the Godavari meeting, has said that the present House of Representatives cannot be dissolved.
尼泊尔大会党领导人Ramchandra Poudel也出席了 Godavari 会议，他说当前的议会不能解散。
Bhattarai: We have already reached an agreement (to dissolve the House). How can he say that now? This will merely be an attempt to block the peace process and invite conflict; it will be suicidal for them (seven parties). Backing away from the agreement would be a violation of the agreement and would mean continuation of the conflict.
我们已经达成了解散议会的协议。他现在怎能那样说呢？这样只能阻挡和平进程并引发冲突。对于七党来说，那将是自杀。回到协议以前就是违背协议，并意味着冲突的继续。
Q. At the Godavari meeting, an agreement was reached to help rehabilitate the people who have been displaced and whose land and property have been seized by your party during the 10 years of conflict. When will this agreement be implemented?
在Godavari 会议上，达成了一项协议，就是帮助恢复在10年冲突中那些被你们党夺去的移民的土地和财产。这个协议何时执行？
Bhattarai: It has been made clear in the 12-point understanding, eight-point understanding and the 25-point (ceasefire) code of conduct. Its implementation has also begun. Some difficulties have, however, been observed in the implementation process at some places. To address this, an agreement has been reached to form a mechanism at the central level with representatives from all parties. The problems seen in the implementation will be settled by this mechanism as per the 12-point understanding.
关于这一点在12点协议、8点协议和25点停火协议中讲得很清楚。它的执行也已经开始。然而，一些地区在执行过程中出现了些困难。为了解决此事，我们已经达成共识建立一个由各政党代表参加的中央机构。这个机构会根据12点协议解决执行中出现的问题。
Q. We have a situation here where the current SPA government has accepted ceremonial monarchy; it has even allocated a certain budget for the royal palace. On the other hand, your dialogue with the government, too, is going side by side. Is it an indication that your party, too, has accepted a ceremonial monarchy?
我们目前的情况是，当前的七党联盟政府已经接受了君主立宪制，甚至已给皇室分配了一定的预算。另外，你们和政府的对话也同时在进行。那是否表明你们党也接受君主立宪制呢？
Bhattarai: There is no question of us accepting any form of monarchy. No one should be confused. A democratic republic has been our continuous demand since the royal palace massacre in 2001.
我们不会接受任何形式的君主制。应该清楚，我们在2001年王室大屠杀后就一直要求成立民主共和国。
Q. What will be the king's situation when you join the interim government?
当你们参加临时政府时，国王的处境会怎样呢？
Bhattarai: Our proposal is, let's declare Nepal a democratic republic through the interim constitution itself. But it is still under discussion. Let's see how it goes. It won't be appropriate to say more than this right now.
我们的建议是，通过临时宪法宣布尼泊尔为民主共和国。但这仍在讨论。让我们拭目以待，现在只能讲这些。
Q. Your party and the SPA were together in the April Movement. The recent political change was possible through your joint efforts. But in the aftermath of the movement, there still seems to be some lack of trust between your party and the SPA. Many times you have acted like rebels and the SPA as the state. What could be the reasons?
在四月人民运动中，你们党和七党联盟是在一起的。当前的政局变化也可能取决于你们的共同努力。但是人民运动之后，在你们和七党联盟之间似乎仍然缺少些信任。许多时候，你们的行为象是造反，而七党联盟象是执政。为什么？
Bhattarai: The main reason is the seven parties sometimes forget that the main fight is against the monarchy. We realised that we cannot defeat the monarchy by fighting against it separately. Therefore we launched a joint movement. The 12-point understanding was an expression of this realisation. The movement became successful because of the 12-point understanding. And the movement's mandate is to abolish monarchy and establish a democratic republic. But they (SPA) sometimes forget that the monarchy is our common enemy and start considering us as their enemy. Their lies the problem. At the Godavari meeting, we raised this issue and asked them, "Who do you consider your main enemy- we or the king?" Then they accepted that the king is the common enemy.
主要原因是有时七党忘记了主要斗争对象是国王。我们认识到我们不能仅靠自身击败国王。因此，我们发动了联合运动。12点协议就是这种联合的表现。人民运动因为12点协议而胜利了。运动的要求是废除君主制，建立民主共和国。但是他们（七党联盟）有时忘记了国王是我们共同的敌人而开始认为我们是他们的敌人。他们的谎言就是问题。在Godavari 会议上，我们提出问题并问他们，“你们认为谁是你们主要的敌人-我们还是国王？”于是他们承认国王是共同的敌人。
Q. Isn't your armed force also a reason for their worry and the lack of trust between you?
难道你们的军队不也是他们担心的并对你们缺乏信任的一个原因吗？
Bhattarai: Our arms are not against them (SPA) and democracy. They are against the monarchy and the royal army. They don't need to fear our arms. We told them (SPA leaders, at Godavari) that they don't fear the weapons of the king, who has cheated them time and again, but always raise the issue of our arms. Then they realised and agreed for the democratisation of the royal army. This has pushed us closer to the meeting point.
我们的军队不是反对他们（七党联盟）和民主的。他们反对君主制和王军。他们不必害怕我们的军队。我们在Godavari会议上告诉七党联盟领导人，说他们不害怕国王的武器，尽管国王曾多次欺骗过他们，却总是提出关于我们武装的问题。于是他们认识到这点并同意王军民主化。这促进了我们的对话。
Q. Some parliamentarians are saying that the dissolution of parliament will create a vacuum which could encourage the regressive elements.
一些议员说一旦解散议会就会造成真空，那将有利于反动分子。
Bhattarai: This has no logic. What did this parliament do? Could it stop the King's autocracy? Could it stop his February 1 move? Everybody should be clear that this parliament was reinstated by the popular movement based on the 12-point understanding. This parliament was revived through people power. Thus it is clear that this parliament is nothing in itself; the king can do anything with it whenever he likes. Therefore it's not important whether this parliament remains or not; the most important thing is unity of the people, the unity among the allies of the democratic movement. If the unity among the democratic forces is strong, we can form a body that can exercise sovereignty and state authority.
这不符合逻辑。这个议会做了些什么？它制止国王的独裁了吗？它制止国王“2月1日政变”了吗？所有人都应该清楚这个议会是由于在12点协议基础上发动的人民运动才被恢复的。这个议会是由于人民的力量才复活的。那么很明显这个议会不再是从前那样，国王不能再利用它为所欲为。因此这个议会保留与否已不重要，关键是团结人民，团结各民主运动派别。如果团结的民主力量足够强大，我们就能够建立一个机构行使主权和国家职权。 |
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